Zog Has-fallen wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:38 pm

To me SDA stands for Stasi-Demon Agency.

Here is my justification for using this strong language.

Clark,

Do you remember me telling you shortly after my arrest in 1995 that I was assaulted by two persons at the Richardson SDA church, (one used both of his arms to grab onto and control my left arm, and that the other seized my right arm in exactly the same way), and that I saw the face of one of them morph into the face of a demon? I believe you replied saying, "That's not good."

Clark_Albritton wrote:I do remember. Just not the specific detail of them grabbing each arm with both hands. But I remember you telling me about one or both appearing demonic.

My earliest account of my very memorable visionary experience on the day of my arrest was the essential detail that I needed confirmed. Thanks.

1 Corinthians 6:16
Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."

Also, -- it must be remembered -- many lessons on corporate accountability are found in the Spirit of prophecy. For example, please consider this excerpt from an article with the title, The Sin of Achan, published in The Signs of the Times, April 21, 1881:

"The history of Achan teaches the solemn lesson, that for one man's sin, the displeasure of God will rest upon a people or a nation till the transgression is searched out and punished. Sin is corrupting in its nature. One man infected with its deadly leprosy may communicate the taint to thousands. Those who occupy responsible positions as guardians of the people are false to their trust, if they do not faithfully search out and reprove sin. Many dare not condemn iniquity, lest they shall thereby sacrifice position or popularity. And by some it is considered uncharitable to rebuke sin. The servant of God should never allow his own spirit to be mingled with the reproof which he is required to give; but he is under the most solemn obligation to present the word of God, without fear or favor. He must call sin by its right name. Those who by their carelessness or indifference permit God's name to be dishonored by his professed people, are numbered with the transgressor, — registered in the record of Heaven as partakers in their evil deeds."

"There is need of earnest work to set things in order in the church of God, and it is fully as essential to do this work as it is to preach or to pray."

"Do we not encourage sin, by failing to meet it with plain and pointed reproof? We may have the clearest understanding of God's word, we may make a high profession of godliness, yet if injustice or iniquity is concealed among us, we need not wonder that our souls are dry and fruitless as a withered branch."

"The spirit of hatred against reproof is steadily increasing. It is considered uncharitable to deal plainly and faithfully with the erring. Sin is glossed over, and thus blindness has come upon souls until it is impossible for them to discriminate between right and wrong, between sin and holiness. Many have closed their ears to reproof, and hardened their hearts against every influence which would set their sins before them."

"We repeat, God holds the church responsible for the sins of its individual members."

"Those who have the true love of God in their hearts will not teach that sin should be handled with gloved hands. The words of God to Joshua contain a solemn lesson for every one who professes to be a follower of Christ, — 'Neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed thing from among you.' "

One Body With Seven Faces?
The Seven Faces of Seventh-day Adventism

The Manifesto of Confessing Seventh-day Adventists:

"I am instructed to say that we must do all we possibly can for these deceived ones. Their minds must be freed from the delusions of the enemy, and if we fail in our efforts to save these erring ones, we must 'come out from among them' and be separate." E.G.W., Ms 106, "A Plea For Loyalty," Nov. 20, 1905.

"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." 12MR 333.

I believe that God gave Sister White her wonderful vision of the Ten Commandments, "the tables of stone, which folded together like a book." Unquestionably, this extraordinary visionary experience became the bedrock of all Sister White's subsequent theology: "Jesus opened them, and I saw the ten commandments written on them with the finger of God. On one table were four, and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth, the Sabbath commandment, shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name. The holy Sabbath looked glorious--a halo of glory was all around it. I saw that the Sabbath commandment was not nailed to the cross. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to break them all, as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for He never changes. But the pope had changed it from the seventh to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws." {CET 91.4}

Obviously, the Sabbath foreshadows the prophecy of Isaiah 66:23 so the Adventist pioneers were very forward looking in naming their church journal The Advent Review and Sabbath Herald. But shouldn't Seventh-day Adventists be more respectful of dissenting opinions, such as the Apostle Paul declaring that the Sabbath is a shadow of what is to come (Colossians 2:17) and of mathematics, which reveals the arbitrariness of the International Date Line, which conclusively proves the impossibility of defining the Sabbath day everywhere on a round earth?

Re: Ellen G. White's Vision of The Ten Commandments

Gregory Matthews wrote:Eugene:

Your issues with the SDA Church are well known--apostate and used by Satan.

This forum allows a range of posting to include material that is outside of Adventism. But, there is a point where we draw the line. WE will watch very closely the posts of anyone who has publicly taken positions on the SDA Church that you have taken. We will remove from view anything that crosses over that line. That may be a subjective line. But, that is how it is.

I will recommend that you do not consider this forum to be a place where you can post about the SDA church as you have done elsewhere.

Thank you for your compliance,

Gregory Matthews

I understand your objection. Scripture is used by Satan and you don't believe that apostates merit being disfellowshipped after a fair and open hearing.

Wayne Willey wrote:Obsessed with Sabbath?

The article states: Those who enjoy the privilege of attending a church where the gospel of Jesus Christ is preached every Sabbath should thank God that they have received a "double blessing".

I agree. I also agree that SDAs are obsessed with their legalistic understanding of the 4th Commandment and that Adventist legalists refuse to tolerate the unimaginably radical interpretation of it by Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul and Seventh-day Shubertians.

In conclusion, unacknowledged facts require an unquestionably new interpretation.

• Jesus Christ interpreted the Sabbath as a special day for Him to work for the betterment of mankind.
• The Apostle Paul declared that the Sabbath is a shadow of what is to come (Colossians 2:17).
• The indisputable mathematics of Shubert's Date Line Existence Theorem demonstrates the arbitrariness of the International Date Line and conclusively proves the impossibility of defining the Sabbath day everywhere on a round earth. We are therefore forced to interpret the Sabbath as a prophecy that was designed to foreshadow the end of an Old Testament dispensation, the culmination of all shadows and types in a coming Savior, (which was fulfilled by Jesus Christ), and the inevitable fulfillment of Isaiah 66:23.

Larry wrote:Does any SDA member know what denomination Zog represents?

I'm a part of a small fellowship that has multiple Christian ministry names, such as The General Conference of Seventh-day Millerites / Adventists / Shubertians. We're proud of our 12 articles of faith and are not ashamed of our religious, non-profit 501(c)(3) status.

Larry wrote:you seem to worship flesh !

No. As required by the gospel (http://everythingimportant.org/God), I'm a defender of truth and true Christians. And that includes William Miller and Ellen G. White. And the truth that you're dismissing here is that you're a worshiper of many false caricatures of Sister White.

The Slaphappily Approving Crucifying the Son of God Apologist wrote:Zog is the self proclaimed head of his own church/religion.

Where did I ever say that I am the head of my own church/religion? Christ is the head of the church and God is the head of Christ.

The Slaphappily Approving Crucifying the Son of God Apologist wrote:Eyeswideopen is correct. You are no longer a member of the SDA church because you formed and head up your own church/form of religion.

"The man is the head of a woman" (1 Corinthians 11:3) but in this instance, Eyeswideopen is your head.

I disagree with your head. I'm a Seventh-day Adventist Christian according to the Spirit of prophecy (http://everythingimportant.org/gospel/7faces.htm) and you're a Slaphappily Approving Crucifying the Son of God Apologist according to the same Spirit. Furthermore, I happily confess that I have no affiliation with the General Conference Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists or any of its subsidiaries.

The Slaphappily Approving Crucifying the Son of God Apologist wrote:Your name is included in the title of your church/religious organization.

The name Seventh-day Adventists wasn't exactly logical or appropriate in the historical context of the fracturing Millerite movement. I believe it was wrong for Ellen White and those who believed in her visions to so easily separate from William Miller and his closest associates. That explains why I labeled myself a Millerite long before I called myself a Shubertian. Eventually though, I discovered that the Millerite name wasn't useful to me because it required too much explanation. So I switched to labeling myself a Seventh-day Shubertian because everyone understands that we all have our individual beliefs. Who doesn't know Lutherans historically as a dissenting sect that agreed with Martin Luther and that Calvinism was based on the understanding of John Calvin? Did Jesus hide His identity and belief in Himself as the Son of God? I see nothing wrong in honoring these great traditions.

The Slaphappily Approving Crucifying the Son of God Apologist wrote:That tells me your vainly is the head of it.

As I said elsewhere, I'm a part of a small fellowship that has multiple Christian ministry names, such as The General Conference of Seventh-day Millerites / Adventists / Shubertians. Another name is the Confessing Millerite Adventists. More importantly, we define ourselves by our 12 articles of faith. http://everythingimportant.org/Millerites/

See John chapter one verses nineteen to twenty-three where John the Baptist explains who he was in terms of the prophecy he was fulfilling. Compare that to how the Seventh-day Shubertians are fulfilling prophecy.

The Slaphappily Approving Crucifying the Son of God Apologist wrote:Yet you are always afraid to post your proof/truth here.

The fundamental beliefs of the General Conference of Seventh-day Millerites / Adventists / Shubertians are in a beautiful format with highlighted text, colors and links not reproducible on Topix.

The Slaphappily Approving Crucifying the Son of God Apologist wrote:Like I said......you are afraid to post them here.

You don't understand the agreement that I have with Jesus. I'm not to cast peals before swine and He is to impress His followers to diligently search for and understand true revelation.

The Spirit of prophecy has weighed in as follows:

Our brethren should be willing to investigate in a candid way every point of controversy. If a brother is teaching error, those who are in responsible positions ought to know it; and if he is teaching truth, they ought to take their stand at his side. We should all know what is being taught among us; for if it is truth, we need it. We are all under obligation to God to know what He sends us. He has given directions by which we may test every doctrine,--"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." If the light presented meets this test, we are not to refuse to accept it because it does not agree with our ideas.--Gospel Workers, pp. 300, 301.

The Always In Character Demon Impersonator wrote:lame excuse; but the readers are not surprised

What's so lame about having an agreement with the Son of God and wanting the truth exalted in the most beautiful format possible?

The Slaphappily Approving Crucifying the Son of God Apologist wrote:William Miller was never a seventh day adventist, and you are not John the Baptist.

Unquestionably, the original Millerites were called Adventists. Furthermore, my fellowship believes that William Miller's dream was inspired by God and that we are its fulfillment. Thus we have every logical and moral right to call ourselves The General Conference of Seventh-day Millerites / Adventists / Shubertians. And so you may continue on blissfully with uninterrupted sleep, rest assured that I have never claimed to be John the Baptist. Nevertheless, indisputably, Ellen G. White likened William Miller and the Millerites to Elisha and Elijah. Consequently, we are The Church with the Lion's Roar (Revelation 10:1-3) and have every expectation that we will continue to fulfill God's promises.

Proverbs 4:18
The path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.

stephen1989 wrote: I encourage everyone to look at your point of view, and the many others and form an opinion.

I must point out that there is only one interpretation of the three angels' messages that could easily fulfill Ellen White's prediction of a coming manifestation which lightens the earth with the glory of God (Revelation 18:1-2) that will terrify the leadership of the Seventh-day Adventist church.

"There is to be in the churches a wonderful manifestation of the power of God, but it will not move upon those who have not humbled themselves before the Lord, and opened the door of their heart by confession and repentance. In the manifestation of that power which lightens the earth with the glory of God, they will see only something which in their blindness they think dangerous, something which will arouse their fears, and they will brace themselves to resist it. Because the Lord does not work according to their expectations and ideal, they will oppose the work. 'Why,' they say, 'should we not know the Spirit of God, when we have been in the work so many years?' --- Because they did not respond to the warnings, the entreaties, of the messages of God, but persistently said, 'I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing.' " 1888, p. 765.

"The Catholics pushed back!" Dr. Peter Landless Condemns silence of Seventh-day Adventist Church



Andrew, you're just as hypocritical as Dr. Landless. Both of you are only complaining about one issue.

BibleTalk101 wrote:That's about as smart as saying, "Andrew, you're just as hypocritical as Dr. Landless. Both of you are only complaining about FIVE issues." You DO know Andrew was not "complaining" about Landless' knocking the church for not apologizing for its "non involvement" in apartheid, right?

I don't think "hypocritical" means what you think it means. The point, which apparently flew right over your head, was that Dr. Landless could have/should have used his position to lead/push the Adventist church into Scriptural obedience to the 6th commandment. What person is in a better position? It was Landless, himself, who said that the health ministry was to "do no harm." THAT is the part that's hypocritical. What part of that do you not understand? Abortion DOES harm, in case your own pro abort leanings wants to deny it. You might want to take some refresher comprehension and logic courses.

[edit] By the way, were you "disfellowshipped" from the Adventist Church, or did you just leave voluntarily? Either way, what do you care about what Adventists think about abortion? For someone who hates the Adventist church, you sure do like hanging around adventist sites and channels.

What we have here are two men, each riding their favorite hobbyhorse, both appearing blissfully unaware that the Seventh-day Adventist leadership truly are sanctimonious enablers of genocide AND, simultaneously, are also guilty of promoting and prolonging indescribable misery and unquestionable suffering in this world.

BTW: I was baptized into the SDA church at age 13 and was never disfellowshipped. And I didn't leave voluntarily. Nevertheless, I am relentless and refuse to be silent. I have publicly requested to be disfellowshipped for refusing to believe in the exemplary character and presumed righteousness of the SDA leadership.

"Dr. Landless could have/should have used his position to lead/push the Adventist church into Scriptural obedience to the 6th commandment." And Andrew should have been able to understand the Spirit of prophecy excerpt that was sent to him from a sympathetic supporter but, by all appearances, it was a complete loss, as well as a wasted paypal donation.

Anne,

Grace mentioned to me that you asked how I'm doing. I don't mind answering directly. I still believe that you're as contemptuous of me as is Steve Starsja and the Seventh-day Adventist leadership.

That's my state of mind. As for my almost routine Sabbath activities, attached is a picture of me protesting at the Richardson SDA church. That day, 12/22/2018, was just 1 day before my birthday and 3 days before Christmas. Just a few minutes before that photo, just as my photographer, Christina, showed up, the city of Richardson Firetruck pulled up and stopped right where I was with Santa Claus on board. Then Santa showered me with gifts. I turned to Santa and said in a booming voice that was easily heard by everyone on the firetruck, "God bless you Santa Claus!" I'm holding one of those gifts in my left hand in the photo. Christina picked up the other gift, which I couldn't catch while holding my sign. That and being able to see Santa Claus bless me during that Christmas season was Christina's reward for coming by at my request to take my picture.



Before being blessed by Santa, Sven Frantzen, the associate pastor of the Richardson SDA church, approached me to say that if I didn't get off the church sidewalk that he would call the police. His photo, from the Richardson SDA church website, is shown below. So I'm curious. Whose blessings carry more weight with you? That of Santa Claus or Sven Frantzen's curse?



I was at the church today with my sign also. Several church members talked with me today and two asked what I wanted. I said that I wanted to be reconciled to the church. These two members, which I spoke with at different times, said that they would try to get that done.

It just occurred to me that I’ve been in forced exile from the Seventh-day Adventist church for 30 years (1989 to 2019), except for the 6 month probationary period that I’ve written about in Threats, Intimidation and the Kingdom of God.

Yes, some murderers are released from their prisons in less than 30 years. But for many Seventh-day Adventists, speaking against the holy order is an unforgivable sin.

Leaflet #1:

Dear Visitor, Member or Passerby,

Please join me in celebrating my 30 years of forced exile from the Seventh-day Adventist church. (everythingimportant.org/dupery).

The prophet Isaiah wrote:

“Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.” Isaiah 66:5.

If you believe in solidarity, in forgiveness and reconciliation, and believe that the Seventh-day Adventist Church leadership is capable of repentance, then please be aware of their incredible hypocrisy. The Richardson church website (richardsonsda.org) says:

“Our vision
“We are a growing family risking everything in Christ to FORGE FRIENDSHIPS, CREATE DISCIPLES, and TRANSFORM OUR COMMUNITIES before Jesus returns.”

What mockery! These hypocritical hirelings know of my experience. They know they're paid shills for the Texas Conference (everythingimportant.org/hirelings). They also know that their most solemn duty to the hierarchy is to silence dissidents and to keep the high-handed sins of their make-believe holy order a secret, in disobedience to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

If you're just a truth-seeking visitor, or if you think you're a Seventh-day Adventist that won't be judged for the immoral associations you keep and the corrupt pastors you support, then please listen to these uncompromising counsels and stern warnings by Ellen G. White:

“As there are woes for those who preach the truth while they are unsanctified in heart and life, so there are woes for those who receive and maintain the unsanctified in the position which they cannot fill.” {GW92 245.2}

“It would be poor policy to support from the treasury of God those who really mar and injure His work, and who are constantly lowering the standard of Christianity.” {3T 553.2}

“There are fearful woes for those who preach the truth, but are not sanctified by it, and also for those who consent to receive and maintain the unsanctified to minister to them in word and doctrine.” {1T 261.3}

“Only those who have been trained in the knowledge and fear of God should be chosen to take responsibilities. Those who have been long in the truth, yet who cannot distinguish between the pure principles of righteousness and the principles of evil, whose understanding in regard to justice, mercy, and the love of God is beclouded, should be relieved of responsibility.” KC 105.

“Here are the very words that we want to bring into our life practice. The men that have long stood in positions of trust while disregarding the light that God has given, are not to be depended upon. God wants them to be removed.” 1888, p. 1745-1746.

My name is Eugene Shubert. I was raised in the Seventh-day Adventist church, baptized at the age of 13 and was never disfellowshipped Biblically.

The Hypocrisy of the Texas Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Has Been Confirmed Yet Again

This audio recording is a conversation between Seventh-day Adventist Texas Conference Executive Secretary Richard M. White (269-240-8214) and an elder at the Kerrville Texas SDA Church. In a church business meeting it had been voted that the man in question return to ministry and fellowship after being disfellowshipped by the Verified Volunteers program and the Texas Conference. The man in question was an elder in the church and a Sabbath School teacher. Although a registered sex offender, for 30 years the local Church knew the man, his past, his spirituality, and the fruit of his life. Does Christ have the power to change a man or not? The Texas Conference doesn't think He does. They would rather permanently condemn people who are guilty of certain sins. Who would be better to judge this situation, the Texas Conference or the local church who fellowships with the man in question? I think the clip speaks for itself.

How well do you know your leadership? Here's what Ellen White had to say about this type of behavior from leadership:

Remove the Dictator--The spirit of domination is extending to the presidents of our conferences. If a man is sanguine of his own powers and seeks to exercise dominion over his brethren, feeling that he is invested with authority to make his will the ruling power, the best and only safe course is to remove him, lest great harm be done, and he lose his own soul, and imperil the souls of others. "All ye are brethren." -Testimonies to Ministers, p. 362. {ChL 35.3}

Force must never come in. All who thought that their position gave them power to command their fellow beings, and control conscience, must be deprived of their position; for this is not God's plan. {RH, September 7, 1897 par. 8}



The Truth About Our Falsely Accused Church Member

As those thus united in Christian fellowship offer prayer to God, and pledge themselves to deal justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with God, great blessing comes to them. If they have wronged others, they continue the work of repentance, confession, and restitution, fully set to do good to one another. This is the fulfilling of the law of Christ. {GW 500.1}

"But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." Take with you those who are spiritually minded, and talk with the one in error in regard to the wrong. He may yield to the united appeals of his brethren. As he sees their agreement in the matter, his mind may be enlightened. {GW 500.2}

"And if he shall neglect to hear them," what then shall be done? Shall a few persons in a board meeting take upon themselves the responsibility of disfellowshiping the erring one? "If he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church." Let the church take action in regard to its members. {GW 500.3}

The Bible Prophecy Conference of Richardson Texas Welcomes You

Leaflet #2:
Welcome to this free Bible Prophecy Conference where you'll be learning some of the most compelling showcase doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

If you decide to attend this church regularly, or possibly after you become a tithe-paying member, you'll eventually learn of their special-insider, necessarily well-hidden, unquestionably controversial beliefs.

If you're curious about what those are, the most infamous, unwritten, fundamental belief, which is required for church membership, is to have an unquestioning faith in the holy order of the Seventh-day Adventist church and to believe in the exemplary character and presumed righteousness of the Seventh-day Adventist leadership.

You will also be expected to reconcile your faith with the fact that all Seventh-day Adventist leaders have been proven to be sanctimonious enablers of genocide, but you're not allowed to discuss it.

Specifically, the Seventh-day Adventist leadership is guilty of whitewashing the horrific atrocities and genocidal policies that the Israelis exercise against the Palestinians, and you'll be expected to go along with their pretense, just believing that God will resolve the problem eventually.
You'll also be expected to believe that their official denominational belief about abortions is acceptable to God and that God doesn't see any hypocrisy in it. Briefly stated, “Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church.” However, feel-good excuses for abortions, such as “maternal-fetal conflict,” are accepted without judgment by Seventh-day Adventist abortionists, are approved by church leadership and may be acted upon immediately wherever permitted by state law.

Addressing again the money-centric, revenue-generating enterprise of this denomination, they also have another very paradoxical belief. The Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists blindly endorses vaccinations and close their mind to anti-vaxx science and the book of Revelation's declaration that the whole world will be deceived by pharmakeia (the pseudoscience of drug sorcery).

For more information, go to http://everythingimportant.org/vaccines, http://everythingimportant.org/Laodicea and http://everythingimportant.org.

Finally, here's a statement that I trust you will find acceptable. It's from the pen of Ellen G. White, the Seventh-day Adventist prophetess:

"Remember that to cause a suspicion or a reproach to rest upon the cause of God is a terrible thing. It is crucifying the Son of God afresh, and putting him to open shame before his enemies. Those who do this are without excuse, and their course will stand against them in the day of reckoning." RH, November 4, 1884 par. 13.

My name is Eugene Shubert. My Twitter handle is @ShubertEugene. If you have any questions, I should be able to provide thoughtful answers since I am a believing Christian and was a believing Seventh-day Adventist for 50 years. I was raised in the Seventh-day Adventist church, baptized at the age of 13 and was never disfellowshipped.