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Shubee
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: The Theory of Devolution Part 2  

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Formally, the new theory of descent with modification (devolution) is based on two postulates, in addition to my preferred definition of a scientific theory and a minor adjustment in the modern evolutionary synthesis.

1. All life forms are molecular machines. I don't believe that any scientist doubts this scientific hypothesis. [1][2][3].

2. The second postulate, the devolution hypothesis, stipulates that all molecular machines are becoming less robust over time. As genetic code in all life forms continues to get corrupted and degrades through copying errors and other mutations, successive generations of machines, in all series, must plod along with increasing inefficiency and sometimes features are entirely lost.

Experimental support for the theory of devolution is just beginning to be noticed. Consider the article, Evolution of Penicillin-Binding Protein 2 Concentration and Cell Shape during a Long-Term Experiment with Escherichia coli, in the Journal of Bacteriology, 2009 February; 191(3): 909–921. The Abstract states: "In a long-term experiment, 12 populations of Escherichia coli having a common ancestor were allowed to evolve for more than 40,000 generations in a defined environment." The abstract specifies the "physiological trade-offs and ecological specialization during experimental evolution" and identifies them precisely. The trade-offs were that "both mutations that evolved were beneficial in the environment used for the long-term experiment and that … both mutations decreased cellular resistance to osmotic stress."

That's a very precise confirmation of the theory of descent with modification (devolution). Yes, the mutant Escherichia coli that survived were better adapted to the new environment and could outcompete the more robust ancestral strains in that new environment. However, the more robust ancestral strains were more robust in their preferred environment than the mutant Escherichia coli were in their specialized environment. That's exactly what the theory of devolution predicts. As the theory of devolution affirms, along with evolution (change), which is due to accumulated mutation, there is devolution (the decrease in robustness).

Obviously, in the background, there is a rather unsurprising principle. Escherichia coli and their descendants can adapt to eating junk food but it's not good for them. It accelerates their mutation rate. They would have been better off in their original environment.
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I disagree with the second postulate. I see no reason to accept it. The main reason being, that how you decide how 'robust' a genetic sequence is is entirely subjective: for a start we don't know with any certainty what the majority of genes do, so jumping to conclusions that they are errors is wrong.
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...and the second is nothing but reductionism. It's essentially a call to ignore emergent qualities.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: The Theory of Devolution Part 2

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Shubee wrote:
Formally, the new theory of descent with modification (devolution)


Descent with modification is evolution. No one doubts this. Your idea specifies a certain type of modification. Please stop referring to descent with modification as devolution.

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is based on two postulates, in addition to my preferred definition of a scientific theory and a minor adjustment in the modern evolutionary synthesis.


You cannot simply use your preferred definition of scientific theory. In science you cannot simply invent your own definition of anything without due cause, and you have none. This is the definition as used in science:

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.


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2. The second postulate, the devolution hypothesis, stipulates that all molecular machines are becoming less robust over time. As genetic code in all life forms continues to get corrupted and degrades through copying errors and other mutations, successive generations of machines, in all series, must plod along with increasing inefficiency and sometimes features are entirely lost.


First of all, you STILL haven't provided us with a biologically relevant definition of robust, which is especially ironic after your insistence in the previous thread on the importance of clear definitions.

Secondly, this decrease in efficiency does not necessarily occur and that is because of natural selection. As mutations arise those which are detrimental to the reproductive success of individuals who have it are removed from the population. Thus we have no reason to expect an average decrease in the efficiency of molecular machines due to mutation alone.

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Experimental support for the theory of devolution is just beginning to be noticed. Consider the article, Evolution of Penicillin-Binding Protein 2 Concentration and Cell Shape during a Long-Term Experiment with Escherichia coli, in the Journal of Bacteriology, 2009 February; 191(3): 909–921. The Abstract states: "In a long-term experiment, 12 populations of Escherichia coli having a common ancestor were allowed to evolve for more than 40,000 generations in a defined environment." The abstract specifies the "physiological trade-offs and ecological specialization during experimental evolution" and identifies them precisely. The trade-offs were that "both mutations that evolved were beneficial in the environment used for the long-term experiment and that … both mutations decreased cellular resistance to osmotic stress."

That's a very precise confirmation of the theory of descent with modification (devolution). Yes, the mutant Escherichia coli that survived were better adapted to the new environment and could outcompete the more robust ancestral strains in that new environment. However, the more robust ancestral strains were more robust in their preferred environment than the mutant Escherichia coli were in their specialized environment. That's exactly what the theory of devolution predicts. As the theory of devolution affirms, along with evolution (change), which is due to accumulated mutation, there is devolution (the decrease in robustness).

Obviously, in the background, there is a rather unsurprising principle. Escherichia coli and their descendants can adapt to eating junk food but it's not good for them. It accelerates their mutation rate. They would have been better off in their original environment.


This is not support for your idea, because your idea states that all organisms are decreasing in the overall efficiency of their molecular machines all the time. While these bacteria lost efficiency in some processes they become more efficient in others, and in fact became more efficient overall in regards to their current, specific environment. If anything this experiment shows that natural selection makes organisms more efficient at surviving in their environment, and how it can alter the organisms to function efficiently in new environments as well.

Also, you are completely incorrect that the mutation rate increased in this study. There is not a single mention of mutation rate in the entire article you linked to. Mutation rate is largely constant within a species unless there is adaptive reason to increase it, which there can be if the environment is unpredictable and fluctuates often. However that is not the case in this study.

I'm sorry Shubee, but your evidence fails to support your hypothesis. Unless you have more evidence to offer you can consider devolution thread #2 closed.
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