A Reform-minded Seventh-day Adventist forum   In our aim to exalt everything important, first and foremost, we seek to promote a clear understanding of Daniel, Revelation, the three angels' messages and the alpha and omega of apostasy.    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Anyone can teach me?           Forum Index -> Novice Class View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message argon_the_light Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Seoul, Korea Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Anyone can teach me? I have been an adventist since I was born. My parents are adventist. However, I havent got the picture of why we claim that we receive the 'gift' of prophecies? I also do not know under what basis we believe that Ellen G. White is truly a prophet? Because when I read a little from the book she wrote I rather think that her writing (especially the one that explains the fall of Lucifer, Noah, and the Old Testament period) is like an imagination and how can we be sure that she's really telling the truth? I quite understand why we worship on the Sabbath day, and I also understand why we have clean and unclean food. But I am just unsure with our interpretation of Daniel and Revelation. Honestly, I do not really know about the prophecies. Can someone please explain: 1. Why we believe that Ellen G. White is a prophet and that she's really telling the truth? 2. What is our church concept of Daniel and Revelation (the beast, 666, pope, 2300 days, evening-morning, 1844, 1260 years, etc)? 3. How do we proof that our concept in no.2 is true? What if other people ask us to verify our belief? I am away from home. I dont have enough budget, so I cannot buy myself books regarding our doctrines and concepts, especially on the book of Daniel and Revelation. If anyone can give me links to readings that can help answer my curiosity, I will highly appreciate that. Or maybe send the readings through email. Thank you for your kind attention Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Hi Argon, Seventh-day Adventists are far from being united on their understanding of Daniel and Revelation. See these criticisms by Desmond Ford: The Gospel, 1844, and Judgment. To understand Ellen White and the correct view of Daniel and Revelation, see: 1. Ellen G. White - How to Test a Prophet 2. Studying and teaching the book of Revelation 3. The Ends of Time Back to top   '); //--> argon_the_light Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Seoul, Korea Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: I dont understand what they are debating in the article "The Gospel, 1844, and Judgment.". Are they debating wheter 1844 is the exact year or what? I think to begin with I better read 'The Ends of Time', which gonna take quite much time. After I finish reading I will post further questions. Thx though :) Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Argon wrote: I dont understand what they are debating in the article "The Gospel, 1844, and Judgment.". Are they debating wheter 1844 is the exact year or what? Hi Argon. Note the subtitle to that article: "Critique of the Third Quarter 2006 Adult Sabbath School Lesson." The text in bold at the top of the page says it all: Quote: The third quarter Sabbath School Quarterly, entitled The Gospel, 1844, and Judgment, was an unmitigated and tragic disaster. Despite the known fact that the majority of the denomination’s scholars surrendered the 1844 tradition decades ago and that it has long been impossible to find a top scholar prepared to teach it or write on it, the church still insisted on disinterring the dead. In other words, Dr. Desmond Ford is saying that Ellen White was wrong in teaching that the origin of the Advent movement of 1844 is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy that connects Revelation 10 and Daniel 8:14 and that the great majority of Seventh-day Adventist scholars agree with him. It would be helpful in your understanding of Dr. Ford's criticism to know that Dr. Desmond Ford is the father of a very influential faction in the Seventh-day Adventist church in North America and Australia. See the faction titled the Aggressives in the article The Seven Faces of Seventh-day Adventism. Argon wrote: I think to begin with I better read 'The Ends of Time', which gonna take quite much time. After I finish reading I will post further questions. Thx though :) I will be happy to answer all your questions. In your study of the issues, be sure to also read Conditionalism: A Cornerstone of Adventist Doctrine and The Literary and Prophetic Structure of Revelation 2 and 3. 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