Eugene's position on the 7 seals

Ed White · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 9:44 am Post subject: Eugene's position on the 7 seals

Hello Forum, does Eugene have a current [up to date] official position on the 7 Seals on Revelation 5 & 6? I knew bits and pieces of what he was promoting years ago [the memory work of seminary proffesors] as this link will show.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:

Here is my current, official position on the 7 Seals:

1. The meaning of the 7 Seals in the larger context of the whole book of Revelation
2. A commentary on the first scenario (the 7 Seals)

Ed White · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 1:08 pm Post subject:

Eugene thanks for this information, I don't know how to use your search feature. I will immediately down load and print out a hard copy to take with me on a three week trip. But for my position on the 7 seals which is the bible and SOP position, listen online to my audiotape on the 7 seals & the great multitude, click on this link.

Being in "Jail" and still allowed to take a trip is kinda nice. I don't expect that kind of treatment in the distant future with all the truth heaven has shed in my path and allowed me to have a small part in proclaiming.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 2:29 pm Post subject:

Have a very nice trip Ed. And let this thought bring you happiness, you have a beautiful and very functional jail cell to return to.

If it's really possible that you might have time to read when away, you should also print out Multiple Scenarios and Understanding Time Passages in the New Testament. These secluded details are essential facts only linked to in the first paper.

Ed White · Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject:

Yes Eugene I like this jail cell, thanks for the welcome when I return. If I am allowed a request, then tell those in charge to have the mattress aired in open sunlight and to leave the window open. All fungas matter and spurious teaching doesn't mix well with the truthfulness of my posts.

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We'll keep the lights on for you.

Ed White · Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:16 am Post subject:

CtC
All those light bulbs you posted above are not necessary to see the truth of Revelation 5 & 6 is ALL about judgment going on in heaven. [The Investigative Judgment] Just a lighted candle and a willingness to follow Heavens rules of study and leaving the study habits of man behind is all that is needed. These study material of man is full of fungus & decay, if exposed to sunlight of God's word they will dry up and blow away. But man will not give up with out a fight in constructing shade leantoos to block out heavens sunlight. Some will continue to build on a spurious platform until the hail of 86# per drop during the 7th plague will then "sweep away their refuge of lies".

Ed White · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:20 am Post subject:

I will now post just one statment from the SOP that was finally realsed by the White Estate in 1987 as MS. 667, that will destroy allmost everthing of the printed material in the SDA evangelist file cabinets. When Eugene reads this, someone needs to be at his side to steady him as it will tremble his knees.
"The Book with the Seven Seals contains the history of the world... Revelation 5:1-3. There in His open hand lay the book the roll of the history of God's providence’s, the prophetic history of nations and the church. Herein was contained the divine utterances, His authority, His commandments, His laws, the whole symbolic counsel of the Eternal, and the history of all ruling powers in the nations. In symbolic language was contained in that roll the influence of every nation, tongue, and people from the beginning of earth's history to its close." 9 Manuscript Release page 7.

And from Christ's Object Lessons 294, we learned that the roll that Jesus take from His Fathers hand contains deeds or decisions of the professed people of God.
"As the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived on the earth, (antediluvians) our Advocate presents the cases of each successive generation, and closes with the living". Great Controversy 483. Notice the words "successive generation". The second seal would be the next generation or class of people to be judged, probably those who lived forward of the flood. During the timing of the second seal their names now come in review and the second beast steps forward and says, "come and see." He is identifying himself with this class of people. He is someone that remembers the Tower of Babel and saw how God confused their language. Some in that generation being judged after 1844 had a desire to please God by following all of heavens sent instruction. Then there was ALWAYS those who's supreme desire is to do as they pleased, knowing full well heavens requirement.---You know, why my path crossed a class of people [or generation of people]just like that on my journey through life the other day.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:19 pm Post subject:

Ed,

Those Spirit of prophecy statements are in perfect agreement with my thesis. The real issue is your failure to face squarely and deal honestly with the obvious parallels and similarities between the scenes of war, famine, death, martyrdom and terror etc as presented in both Matthew 24 and Revelation 6.

Ed White · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:36 pm Post subject:

Eugenes words.[quote] The First Seal

In defense of the Olivet Discourse being the basis of the seals"

That is not what the inspired statment says above. It states that "at the begining of earths history to it's close". You suggest that the first seal started in the first century. On the bottom of page 9T 266 where the prophet states words like these. "what will such a one do in the judgment and every man is JUDGED out of the things written in the books". Then her next breath are words like this proving that the 7 seals are 7 generations of people beging JUDGED in successive order as each new seal is opened after 1844. [quote] "The fifth chapter of Revelation should be closely studied, it is of great importance to those who shall act a part in the closing scenes of this earth history".
Many people in SDA circles have listened to so many spurious discourses from the seminary trained personell to divert the attention away from what is IN THE BOOK in the Father hand and jump on one of these 4 horses and gallop off into the sunset to parts unknow.
I follow no such man made rules!!!

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject:

The maddening wine of the Shepherd's Rod Movement, so freely imbibed by you, has poisoned your brain.

Ed White · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject:

Quote[KJV] "Festus said with a loud
voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth
make thee mad. Chap. 26, Verse 24, [ACT].
But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak
forth the words of truth and soberness. Chap. 26, Verse
25, [ACT].
For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I
speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things
are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a
corner. Chap. 26, Verse 26, [ACT].
King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that
thou believest. Chap. 26, Verse 27, [ACT].
Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to
be a Christian. Chap. 26, Verse 28, [ACT].
And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but
also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and
altogether such as I am, except these bonds. Chap. 26,
Verse 29, [ACT].

Eugene if you desire to talk about the Shepherd Rod, I will be ready to help you expose their spurious teachings. Some are wonderful people that would put mainline Adventist to shame on real Christian principles, but almost EVERTHING important concerning doctrine & end time events, they are totally deceived. Some of them even know they are deceived, but they would not have it any other way.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject:

Great! Let's work together on this. You refute the Shepherd's Rod teachings on the 7 seals and I'll say Amen. Start with their failure to face squarely and honestly the many parallels and similarities between the scenes of war, famine, death, martyrdom and terror etc as presented in both Matthew 24 and Revelation 6.

Ed White · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject:

But Eugene I don't even know what they teach on the 7 seals. I doubt if there is any group of 10 that would agree on anything. Each one is their own authority. Their so called prophet was led astray from reading an article in the Signs Of The Times by Taylor Bunch in the late 1920s. Our mother church created the fertile ground for this type of nonsence to start festering!!! If the White Estate would turn loose of EVERTHING IMPORTANT on end time events people like him could NEVER gain a footholt.
But I do know what bible truth is on the 7 seals, and if I was in doubt of one minor point on this truth of the 7 seals being the Investigative Judgment, then I would return to my closet and plead my case to God alone.