Yes, this is the Laodicean church. And I have nothing but love for women. But isn’t it just a little annoying when they presume to be teachers and when you ask them to teach you the meaning of the Scriptures you quote to overturn everything they say, their only response is that “Satan is getting his way with these arguments.”

You’ll have to forgive Doug for wanting certain members of this forum to destroy each other. He doesn’t like the idea of having a structured forum where moderators see to it that differences of opinion are expressed in a kind and courteous way.

Those of you who really believe this need to become acquainted with the Spirit of Prophecy on this issue. Please find and prayerfully read the six part series, The Third Angel’s Message Illustrated by its Application to Seventh-day Adventists at www.everythingimportant.org/seventhdayAdventists.

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Originally posted by Ino:
Spread the love of Christ...Isn't that what it's all about?

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Yes! But that leads to a theological question. How loving was Jesus? Isn’t he a bad example for us mortals to follow? Why did he expose sin in his day and thus purposely allow himself to be hated by his own nation?

Consider the following:

“The Jews hated Christ because he bore a beautiful, spotless character. He could hate but one thing, and that was sin. This hatred of sin on his part provoked their bitterest hostility. If he had given license to their pride, had fostered their ambition, and passed over their evil passions, their injustice, their fraud, their robbery of the poor, they would have applauded Jesus. They would not have been displeased that he healed the sick, that he had compassion on the suffering, that he raised the dead; but they were displeased because he condemned their evil works, and put them to an open shame by exposing their evil motives. He rebuked their long prayers on the corners of the streets, and the wearing of their long robes for the purpose of making people think they were very pious, when at the same time they would devour with exactions widows’ houses. They would not consent to reform and to be transformed in character; but they were determined by any possible means to get rid of Him who revealed their true character to the people, and paid no regard to their claims of superior sanctity. The fiercest and most inveterate enmity was put between Christ and these bigoted pretenders. The whole energy of the ranks of apostasy was called forth, and evil men conspired with evil angels for the destruction of the Champion of God and truth.” The Signs of the Times, February 27, 1896.

Peter says, “Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.” 1 Peter 4:8. On the other side, Paul says, “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:11. (Evidently, there are sins unto death and sins not unto death. 1 John 5:16). It is my position that the darkest and the deadliest sins in the church should be openly condemned.

Eugene Shubert

If you would not have women teach, why would you want to include the writings of Ellen White in such discussions? Unless there is some deep dark secret here, she was as female as I am.

Deb

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Hello Brethren! ....Yes, it's me again!

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I beg to differ

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Originally posted by meghan1:
hmmm interesting, don't you think

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meghan1,

This thread is probably interesting to different folks for different reasons. I’m charmed by the first post and was very surprised that the opening question wasn’t understood by anyone. Isn’t it remarkable that so many Seventh-day Adventists responded without hesitation by condemning Jesus and siding with the Jewish church?

I believe that this entire episode is very much like the Biblical account in Luke 4:14-30 and proves the thesis advanced in the sensible thread, Pharisees, Sadducees, Seventh-day Adventists.

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In answer to your question, Jesus Christ is God. He had every right to judge and chasten the rulers.... because He is God!

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Please read the text I’m referring to (Luke 4:14-30). The offense of Jesus was that He cited historical facts that stung the spiritual pride of the Jews and forcefully diminished their collective self-righteousness. Anyone could have done that! It would be like me posting this link about Seventh-day Adventists in Nazi Germany:

Adventists in Nazi Germany

Do you mean that it would have been a sin for anyone else to refer to the Scripture that Jesus mentioned?

Mrs. Gray is pleased with your zealous involvement in conversation, however she is not puzzled as to the reception you have received after reviewing your methodology of presenting your viewpoints. To be frank, she finds it hard to consider your materials seriously.

Sincerely,

Mrs. Gray